Marshall Class 5 Mods

So, this is a Marshall Class 5. OK, let’s see how it sounds …

Well, definitely too much boomy to my ears. I know guys that play it with bass pot set to zero, but it’s not sufficient, imho. This baby needs mods to be less muddy and a little more “plexi” ;-)

I read a very interesting post from Lyle Caldwell (Psionic Audio) on the Les Paul Forum, and implement some mods he proposes.

Here are samples with the “Stock” version of the Marshall Class 5 :

OK, here the schematic of mods inspired by Lyle (and some of my ideas ;-) )

Marshall Class 5 Stock Schematic

Marshall Class 5 Mods

Marshall Class 5 Modded

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26 Responses to Marshall Class 5 Mods

  1. Kenny says:

    Hi, I implemented most of your mods, and they’re great. I also bypassed R21 with a 1ouF cap to boost the gain of that stage, and left in the 0.047uF bass control cap, and I’m getting a really powerful sound. I like the extra bass for strats and teles. You’ve gotta watch it with all those 470pF treble boost bypass caps, too many and you run into a “fizz” problem. Also, don’t try reducing the value of R21, I got a nasty self-oscillation @13kHz. Having all kinds of problems with microphonic Chinese EL84s, gonna try some Russian equivalents, or shell out for a NOS Mullard. This is a great amp if you mod it right and find a good power tube. Cheers

  2. Andy says:

    Great mods, great sounds!

    Just found you’r blog…It would be super awesome if some1 made those mods on layout like pcb or sth, too bad I can’t read schematics :(

  3. Kenny says:

    Those 470pF treble boost caps are sometimes more trouble than they’re worth. I used a single 150pF across R12, and a 120pF across the volume control, and that’s it. That parasitic, ultrasonic “fizz” is apparent with any larger values. I also bolted in a larger output transformer, and the choke, and I’m getting a lot more than 5W out. Good luck with it, everybody. Cheers.

  4. Murali says:

    Thanks for posting your blog and the Class 5 schematics, much appreciated!

    You note above you’re looking for more “PLEXI”, so I’m wondering are these mods based on the 1959? Without assuming so, I would still ask, why not move the tone stack at least one gain stage later, or even create a “true” cathode follower and move the stack to the final gain stage? Or, turn the Class 5 into the 2204 “cascading” circuit using the first two gain stages? It seems the designers were trying to compensate for the early tone stack placement by adding a final gain stage after a tone recovery stage, but, as you point out, putting the 470k/470pf network (you use 500pf in the MODS schematic) so late in the amp will not really duplicate the raspy sound of the 2204, which puts it after the 1st gain stage and before the Volume control.

    Please excuse me if these suggestions/queries are out of line. I expect to acquire a Class 5 this week and may find when I do that the PCB designers, in their wisdom, have made it impossible to move the tone stack, which would nip my intentions in the bud. But, then again, at the end of the day, if one is willing to break some traces and do some hard wiring, it might be possible to turn the Class 5 into a Marshall after all.

    • t-geek says:

      No, not really a 1959 !
      Good idea to move the TS, but pain in the a* with the PCB, I think …

      • Thanks guys, glad to see people are enjoying the mods.

        On the amps I mod for clients, I do change the entire circuit to that of either the Plexi (Normal and High Treble with all the proper gain staging) or JCM 800 (cascaded gain etc). But that involves cutting traces, longer shielded runs, etc, and unless you really know what you’re doing the end result is a butchered PCB and a ton of oscillation.

        The mods I shared are ways to improve the stock circuit for about $10 in parts.

  5. Kenny says:

    Hi, looking at the schematic, I don’t get how the speaker is still connected in low-power mode on the Class5. It looks as if the 15R power resistor is only connected in this mode. Am I missing something, or is it still connected through the headphone/speaker jacks? I want to build a higher-power Class A amp with an 807 tube with the same switchability. Thanks!

  6. I fear to ask…. but how does one purchase / acquire a Class 5 head ? I’m not finding any major dealers who carry it…. $350 is a great price, apparently it’s a hot item.

  7. Nacik says:

    Hi, you did a great job and thanks for sharing.
    I need to know if someone could tell me what kind of component are all those LKs on the schematic.
    Thanks

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  9. I do strongly suggest changing C11 out for a 22uf cap. It eliminates a tendency for the amp to ghost. And on the first version Class 5s with the tubes mounted to the main board, the input signal at R19 is routed really close and parallel to the plate signal coming off C9 with no shielding between them. This causes a lot of bleed and even oscillation. Remove R19 and R20, cut the trace back at the jack, put a new 1M across the jack (replacing R20), and run a shielded wire from the jack to a new 33K resistor (replacing R19) soldered to pin 2 of the socket, above the board. This eliminates this bleeding and oscillation.

    • Kenny says:

      Will do, Lyle. This “ghosting” problem manifests itself as a fizzy sounding tone immediately after certain (higher register) guitar notes, I assume?

  10. t-geek says:

    Thanks for all, Lyle !

  11. themidnighter says:

    Glad to see your take on Lyle’s mods.

    One thing I don’t get is, on the original mods Lyle wrote for MLP, there’s a new wire going from SW10 to R51, and I don’t get what is the use for this?
    It’s on that layout: http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/37680_Total_mod_class_5.jpg

    I mean, if you put sw10 on the headphone position and that you insert your speaker cable halfway, so it’s only connected to ring and sleeve, you already have the attenuated sound. So I really don’t get what this mod is made for, while I understand everything else.

    Hope you can help me on this.

    • t-geek says:

      You’re right, I don’t know why he does such a thing !

      • themidnighter says:

        I get it! With that mod you can use the headphone output as the 1w output with only the flip of a switch. You can still use the headphone output if you want to. Great mod, I guess it’s on the combo only.

  12. knight_yyz says:

    Hey guys, what voltage should the caps be? I know it’s 1 watt resistors, but there is a voltage rating for only one cap. (22nf @400V)

    • t-geek says:

      Hello !
      22nF at input (if VVR) : not critical, cap for effect pedal is OK

      47uF (cathode V1a) : 25V

      120pF : silver mica 500V

      Tone stack : 220p to 1n : not critical

      500pF treble bleed (R14 or R12) : not critical, but I used silver mica 500V
      68pF treble bleed (R26) : not critical, but I used silver mica 500V

      Hope this helps !

  13. knight_yyz says:

    Thank you!!

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